whomackenzie:

otpprompts:

Imagine Person A of your OTP taking a fatal blow for Person B, yet instead of having a dramatic death scene play out, Person A is dead before they hit the ground.

did you mean stinking Knees of the STINKING GODS


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fountainofsnow:

keeveet:

lecturerinrecentrunes:

tartapplesauce:

lecturerinrecentrunes:

fountainofsnow:

youvegotaluckyface:

keeveet:

So I’m re-reading Raffles… Fifteen stories in, there’s finally a description of the narrator himself, making all the original accompanying…

There’s also the scene in A Costume Piece in Raffles’ studio where he’s showing Bunny his costumes. “By the way, I only hope I’ve got something that’ll fit you, for you’ll want a rig for to-morrow night.” They clearly wear different sizes of clothes, which may be due to a height difference.

Using historical average heights to judge how tall these two are is a little iffy, since in those days the rich were generally taller than the poor, but here’s an article that either says that an average British man born in the 1870s was 5’5” at age 21 (according to the chart) or that 5’5” was his height if he was 21 in the 1870s (according to the text). Raffles and Bunny were born in the 1860s.

I can believe Bunny is shorter than average, since Hornung liked to give him his own flaws, and he was not tall himself. But we all know Bunny likes to go on and on about how good-looking Raffles is, and if he doesn’t mention him being tall, maybe it’s because he isn’t. (He’ll always be tall to me, though.) I couldn’t even find a reference to him having long arms or legs, other than the phrase, “make a long arm”, which only means “reach for”.

And can we stop acting like 5’4” is absurdly short, because I would love to be 5’4”.

5’5” - that’s a lot shorter than what I said! Rich people being taller than poor people makes sense though. I wonder if it’d be possible to find any statistics over the height differences between different social classes?

Where did you get Hornung’s height from? I’ve never seen it mentioned at all.

I also tried to find references to Raffles having long legs or arms, but only found ‘long hand’ and ‘long head’, both of which I found to be absolutely hilarious descriptions for some reason. I mean, long fingers, yes, but long hand? Really?

quite-imploded made a good point though when they said that part of the reason we’re imagining Raffles to be tall is probably because of the Holmes connection. I mean, you can definitely read Bunny’s lack of praise for Raffles’ height as proof for him not actually being tall at all, but the reason it doesn’t get mentioned might also be because it’s so very essential that Hornung never actually felt the need to put it down (or plain forgot about it!). I mean, everyone knows that Holmes is tall, and everyone knows that Raffles is based on Holmes. He has the same hair colour as Holmes, and the same eye colour (depending on the story), so it’s very easy to imagine that he should be about the same height as well.

I love this discussion though. We’ve basically all been completely convinced that he’s tall and only now finding out that there’s no actual proof of it, so we’re just sort of scrambling about panicking and trying to find something, anything, to support this. It’s like Hornung is just messing with us from beyond the grave!

P.S. Don’t worry, I don’t think any of us actually think 5’4” is absurdly short, it’s just very short for a character you’ve imagined to be 6 foot!


Bunny Manders has really good hearing.

quite-imploded:

Has anyone else has read Mr Justice Raffles? Anybody out there? 

Because it mentions Bunny hearing things before Raffles on several occasions. I’d have to check, but I reckon about three or four times there are reference to Bunny’s really good hearing. This might be Hornung’s way of suggest Super-Raffles is getting old, but I have some other theories:

1) Bunny is a were-rabbit, which means he goes burgling as a bunny sometimes. 

2) He should be played by Russel Tovey in a kick-ass tv series. 

3) I also weirdly connect it to the reference in “On the knees of the Gods” of Raffles having better eye sight than anyone. So this makes them the eyes and ears…and I think of Holmes and Watson as the brain and heart…where is this going? 

Bunny is a were-rabbit? …of course! It all makes sense now! Now I must only find some canon quotes to support this fine scholarly theory.

Also, I am so glad that I’m not alone in the ‘Russel Tovey would make a great Bunny Manders’-camp!! Man that guy sure knows how to ugly cry… (this is an important aspect of Bunny, trust me on this)


keeveet:

amateurcracksman:

Yeah but on the other hand imagine tall lanky Bunny hovering around 5”4” AJ and meekly apologizing

OH MY GOD


keeveet:

lecturerinrecentrunes:

tartapplesauce:

lecturerinrecentrunes:

fountainofsnow:

youvegotaluckyface:

keeveet:

So I’m re-reading Raffles… Fifteen stories in, there’s finally a description of the narrator himself, making all the original accompanying illustrations wrong. They really liked giving Bunny a moustache, but it seems Bunny only attempted a ‘stache at…

Yes! It usually drives me crazy when an author springs a description of a character on the reader halfway through a book, but in Bunny’s case it’s the same thing — it’s exactly what I’d been imagining all along anyway.

I don’t remember Raffles’ height being specified, but it’s hard not to think of him as tall. He must be.

That’s so weird. Y’know, I could have sworn that he was described as being tall, but now that you mention it I have no idea where it actually says so and a quick google search comes up with nothing. Maybe it never actually says so. But I mean, he is. Of course he’s tall.

Or maybe Hornung is spinning in his grave and groaning about how we got it all wrong and Raffles is actually suppose to be 5’4”.

Well, he has to be taller than Bunny, because he’s able to carry him in his arms.  Canon quote follows, from “Out of Paradise”, from “A Thief in the Night”:

I must teach you the step,” he whispered, shaking his head. “You shouldn’t use your heel at all. Here’s a grass border for you: walk it as you would the plank! Gravel makes a noise, and flower-beds tell a tale. Wait — I must carry you across this.”

It was the sweep of the drive, and in the dim light from above the door, the soft gravel, ploughed into ridges by the night’s wheels, threatened an alarm at every step. Yet Raffles, with me in his arms, crossed the zone of peril softly as the pard.

(Yes, it’s canon that Raffles sweeps Bunny up into his arms and carries him around.  Anything you care to write in fan fiction is really only elaborating on the source material, not inventing).

From “The Rest Cure”, Bunny says that the Colonel’s wife was a tall woman, while he was not too tall a man (and so he could fit into her clothes).  If average height for women in the 19th century was around 5 foot 2 inches, Mrs Colonel Crutchley would have been anywhere from 5 foot 6 inches to 5 foot 8 inches to be considered a tall woman.  So Bunny might be 5 foot 6 to 5 foot 8 inches in height, which would - if Raffles is a couple of inches taller - give us an approximate height for him from 5 foot 10 to 6 foot?

A height somewhere under 6 foot - so around 5 foot 10 inches - just feels right to me for Raffles, but I can’t insist that my version is the correct one.

And I see that Anthony Valentine’s height is given as 6 feet, so that may help?

The Raffles fandom goes on a joint quest to prove their headcanons! (haha this is great)

I looked through canon a bit because this was genuinely bugging me, and this is the closest I could find:

"There was no actual window in the library, but this door was a single sheet of plate-glass into which a man might well have walked, and I can still see Raffles in full-length silhouette upon a panel of palms and tree-ferns. I see the silhouette grow tall and straight again before my eyes, the door open, and Raffles listening with an alert lift of the head.”

If his silhouette is tall I’m assuming he is too… (But it is also described as being ‘straight’ which Raffles clearly isn’t haha see what I did there [obnoxious laughter])

Other than that I found references to him having long hands (what?) and a long head (what?), as well as being described as looking down on Bunny on a couple of occassions, so he’s clearly taller. (Not to mention all the times he just sort of picks him up and carries him around/throws him about a bit, which I assume he must be taller to do)

If I remember correctly the average height for Victorian men was about 5’7” so I’m assuming Bunny is a bit shorter than that? Raffles has to be taller than 5’10” though because that’s my height and he has to be taller than me. <—- legit academic theory

This is what I wake up to!

I don’t quite buy that “tall and straight” part, because it might just mean taller, as in standing up as opposed to crouching. I could imagine even a strong man (and Raffles is supposed to be athletic, at least) would have more trouble picking up someone of his own size, but it’s no proof. On this evidence I’d say that Bunny is slightly below 5’7” (not TOO tall a man) and Raffles is at least 5”7, or it would have elicited comment. I wish I’d asked this sooner, or I could have collected all the physical descriptions of Raffles while I re-read.

(I also re-read Bunny’s description of himself in An Old Flame to my wife, and it totally mentions that his moustache is straw-colored, so apologies for claiming that was just inference.) 

As for headcanons, when I first read the books, I imagined Raffles looking like Rami Malek, even though at that point I’d never laid eyes on Rami Malek. I recognized him when I saw him - it was that spot-on. youvegotaluckyface and des8pudels8kern can testify to that, because I annoyed them by going on about it. On this second go I find myself imagining him taller and um… less pretty? But, man, I still think Malek  - especially his character in The Pacific - has the Raffles vibe. He’s 6’.

What, you’re not buying my tall silhouette theory? Okay, what about this scene from The Spoils of Sacrilege then:

"I sat where I was while the stealthy step came nearer, nearer; and there I was sitting when the door opened, and a huge man in riding-clothes stood before me in the steely dawn.

I leaped to my feet, and the huge man clapped me playfully on the shoulder.”

This is from where Raffles steals his victim’s clothes in order to disguise himself. I’m guessing from his description as ‘huge’ that this other man is quite a lot broader than Raffles (who we know is lean), and thus wearing his clothes makes him look a lot bigger than he actually is (he also wears them on top of his own clothes). However, if he wasn’t already tall to begin with, I hardly think referring to him as ‘huge’ would be justifiable.

This is all I’ve got. Proving Raffles’ height was a lot harder than anticipated…

There’s also this from the same scene, which further proves that Bunny is smaller:

”[…] this riding-suit makes a new man of me, on top of my own, and here’s a youth’s kit that should do you down to the ground.”

Raffles steals the father’s clothes for himself and the son’s (previously referred to as a ‘stripling’) for Bunny.

"I had to watch the lights out one by one, and give them a good hour after that I went through that dressing room at my leisure this time; the only difficulty was to spot the son’s quarters at the back of the house; but I overcame it, as you see, in the end. I only hope they’ll fit, Bunny."

He also actually goes out of his way to find the son’s quarters just so he can find something that’ll fit Bun and that’s all kinds of precious.


shirleytemplar:

  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS AS FATHERS
  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS UP AT 3AM BOTTLE FEEDING THE BABY
  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS FALLING ASLEEP WITH THE BABY IN THEIR ARMS BECAUSE NEITHER HAVE SLEPT ALL NIGHT
  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS MAKING FACES AT THEIR BABY TO MAKE THEM LAUGH
  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS GIVING PIGGYBACK RIDES
  • ALL YOUR FAVORITE MALE CHARACTERS AS FATHERS

tartapplesauce:

lecturerinrecentrunes:

fountainofsnow:

youvegotaluckyface:

keeveet:

So I’m re-reading Raffles… Fifteen stories in, there’s finally a description of the narrator himself, making all the original accompanying illustrations wrong. They really liked giving Bunny a moustache, but it seems Bunny only attempted a ‘stache at…

Yes! It usually drives me crazy when an author springs a description of a character on the reader halfway through a book, but in Bunny’s case it’s the same thing — it’s exactly what I’d been imagining all along anyway.

I don’t remember Raffles’ height being specified, but it’s hard not to think of him as tall. He must be.

That’s so weird. Y’know, I could have sworn that he was described as being tall, but now that you mention it I have no idea where it actually says so and a quick google search comes up with nothing. Maybe it never actually says so. But I mean, he is. Of course he’s tall.

Or maybe Hornung is spinning in his grave and groaning about how we got it all wrong and Raffles is actually suppose to be 5’4”.

Well, he has to be taller than Bunny, because he’s able to carry him in his arms.  Canon quote follows, from “Out of Paradise”, from “A Thief in the Night”:

I must teach you the step,” he whispered, shaking his head. “You shouldn’t use your heel at all. Here’s a grass border for you: walk it as you would the plank! Gravel makes a noise, and flower-beds tell a tale. Wait — I must carry you across this.”

It was the sweep of the drive, and in the dim light from above the door, the soft gravel, ploughed into ridges by the night’s wheels, threatened an alarm at every step. Yet Raffles, with me in his arms, crossed the zone of peril softly as the pard.

(Yes, it’s canon that Raffles sweeps Bunny up into his arms and carries him around.  Anything you care to write in fan fiction is really only elaborating on the source material, not inventing).

From “The Rest Cure”, Bunny says that the Colonel’s wife was a tall woman, while he was not too tall a man (and so he could fit into her clothes).  If average height for women in the 19th century was around 5 foot 2 inches, Mrs Colonel Crutchley would have been anywhere from 5 foot 6 inches to 5 foot 8 inches to be considered a tall woman.  So Bunny might be 5 foot 6 to 5 foot 8 inches in height, which would - if Raffles is a couple of inches taller - give us an approximate height for him from 5 foot 10 to 6 foot?

A height somewhere under 6 foot - so around 5 foot 10 inches - just feels right to me for Raffles, but I can’t insist that my version is the correct one.

And I see that Anthony Valentine’s height is given as 6 feet, so that may help?

The Raffles fandom goes on a joint quest to prove their headcanons! (haha this is great)

I looked through canon a bit because this was genuinely bugging me, and this is the closest I could find:

"There was no actual window in the library, but this door was a single sheet of plate-glass into which a man might well have walked, and I can still see Raffles in full-length silhouette upon a panel of palms and tree-ferns. I see the silhouette grow tall and straight again before my eyes, the door open, and Raffles listening with an alert lift of the head.”

If his silhouette is tall I’m assuming he is too… (But it is also described as being ‘straight’ which Raffles clearly isn’t haha see what I did there [obnoxious laughter])

Other than that I found references to him having long hands (what?) and a long head (what?), as well as being described as looking down on Bunny on a couple of occassions, so he’s clearly taller. (Not to mention all the times he just sort of picks him up and carries him around/throws him about a bit, which I assume he must be taller to do)

If I remember correctly the average height for Victorian men was about 5’7” so I’m assuming Bunny is a bit shorter than that? Raffles has to be taller than 5’10” though because that’s my height and he has to be taller than me. <—- legit academic theory


fountainofsnow:

youvegotaluckyface:

keeveet:

So I’m re-reading Raffles… Fifteen stories in, there’s finally a description of the narrator himself, making all the original accompanying illustrations wrong. They really liked giving Bunny a moustache, but it seems Bunny only attempted a ‘stache at…

Yes! It usually drives me crazy when an author springs a description of a character on the reader halfway through a book, but in Bunny’s case it’s the same thing — it’s exactly what I’d been imagining all along anyway.

I don’t remember Raffles’ height being specified, but it’s hard not to think of him as tall. He must be.

That’s so weird. Y’know, I could have sworn that he was described as being tall, but now that you mention it I have no idea where it actually says so and a quick google search comes up with nothing. Maybe it never actually says so. But I mean, he is. Of course he’s tall.

Or maybe Hornung is spinning in his grave and groaning about how we got it all wrong and Raffles is actually suppose to be 5’4”.


youvegotaluckyface:

keeveet:

So I’m re-reading Raffles… Fifteen stories in, there’s finally a description of the narrator himself, making all the original accompanying illustrations wrong. They really liked giving Bunny a moustache, but it seems Bunny only attempted a ‘stache at thirty, and it’s invisible in the wrong light. (I’m assuming from this that he also has pale colouring, though not necessarily.) He also says he’s looks youthful, innocent, ordinary and somewhat good-looking.

I wonder if we’ll also find out how tall he is. Fanart and the Greene play had him small. 

I was not too tall a man.” and I have fair hair, and at the time it was rather long.” (From The Rest Cure)

I think the great thing about Bunny though is that it took a long time to get a physical description of him and by the time I got it I had already formed a mental picture of what he looked like… which the canon descriptions then went on to completely verify.

I mean, of course he had to be a little blond dude who can’t grow facial hair. Was there ever any other option, really?

I also love how Raffles is constantly descibed as being all tall and handsome and basically the hottest guy ever… meanwhile Bunny is described with such adjectives as “not too tall” and “not ill-looking”. Oh Bun.